Michael Tsarion Interview 2nd December 2008

Michael Tsarion Interview

In the unlikely event that some of our readers have not come across your work before can
you please tell us a little about what you do?

[mtsar] I do many things...divination, hermetic arts, astro-theology, and the origins of evil
etc. recently i did a book and dvd entitled the irish origins of civilization, and this week released program 1 of a dvd series entitled: archtects of control, about the future of mankind
People can go to my main website - http://www.michaeltsarion.com to see the 10 or so websites I have.

Can you tell us what it was that started your journey into all this?

[mtsar] I never knew anything else. but i was reading a lot of english literature from about 3 or
4 years of age, and poetry. i studied a lot of art early on, and quickly gravitated into the work of those whom i consider major mentors, namely, c. s. lewis, j. r. r. tolkien, and george macdonald. These writers, and others, helped me to feel okay about looking at life's mysteries in a broad and different way. Different than that accepted by the masses.

What encouragement would you give to those stepping out into the bigger picture?

[mtsar] Take it slow and realize that there are absolutely no short cuts. this is not a field of entertainment. it is an esoteric field and one must be very reverent and sincere to pursue this kind of insight.

Are there any particular books that you would recommend, that have assisted you in your
journey so far?

[mtsar] That depends on the subject. My work is very eclectic and so are my studies. There are so many good books coming out at this time. Books i've been reading recently (i read about four or five books per month), are "The Underground History of American Education" "Death by Government," "The Ripper and the Royals," "The State - Your Enemy," "Masks of Sanity," and "The Origin of Paul's Religion." In all my books, and on my various websites, i always post a list of titles that i have referred to throughout my work. And all of my own books are dedicated to great thinkers, teachers, and investigators of the past. These include Comyns Beaumont, Conor MacDari, Anna Wilkes, Ignatius Donnelly, L. A. Waddell, Rev. Robert Taylor, Gerald Massey, and so on. This is because there really is nothing new under the sun. Everything that concerns the great mysteries has already been thoroughly investigated and explained by the great ones of the past. Most of what we read today consists of what might be described as "footnotes" on the work of the masters. i try to feature as many of these masters in my work as i can, so that my readers become aware of their work and contribution. Most of these names my readers will not have heard of before. My DVD productions are the same. They too feature the work of many master investigators. Most are long dead, but a few are still around writing books. Of immense importance are Moustafa Gadalla, Ahmed Osman, and Ralph Ellis. These are three gentlemen that I insist people read. Their discoveries, for the most part, eradicate many falsehoods about the past, about the Egyptians, Jews, and origins of Christianity. Sigmund Freud's final book entitled "Moses and Monotheism" is a must. Immanuel Velikovsky's "Oedipus and Akhenaton" is excellent (as are all his works), and of enormous significance is Gerald O'Farrell's fine book "The Tutankhamun Deception." "The Knights Templar Revealed," by Butler and Dafoe is one of the best on the subject, and Tony Bushby's two excellent books, "Secret in the Bible" and "The Bible Fraud," are also highly recommended.

After reading the first book of Irish Origins, I personally felt a sense of relief because many of the things that you have written about have confirmed suspicions that I have had for sometime, especially about the fabrication and endless rewriting of biblical manuscripts as a method of control. Do you believe that a physical bodied"Jesus" ever existed or is it all malicious fabrication on the part of the Atonists?

[mtsar] No, i do not believe a man, as is described in the Testaments, existed. I do believe that enlightened men have walked the earth. I believe they still do. Of course it depends on what each person believes is meant by "enlightened." For me it is anyone that does not deal in illusions. A man is either moral or he is not. Religion is not going to make anyone a better person. We can see that it has not done so. A man is either truly and naturally good, or he is an actor trying to play a part. He contrives and performs. This is what has lead to the state of decay in the world. My mentors were Christians, for the most part. But they understood what i've just said. They also knew that everything in this world requires impartial study. One can be religious or not. That is not my concern. What concerns me is whether the people i meet are wise or foolish, moral or immoral, dependent or independent. It is really very simple. It is the institutions of religion that have manufactured the Jesus of the Bible. He was based on Apollonius of Tyana, and even on several Caesars. He was based on pagan deities such as Orpheus, Mithras, and the Irish Iesa. He has existence as a mythological and even a sidereal character. This means that he represents the sun, or some other major luminary in the heavens above our heads. It can certainly be said he is an archetype representing man perfected - Adam Kadmon - of the Hermetic Tradition. The Bible is a cover story for personages who did not want to be openly known, but who did want their "story" preserved. So it is like a play. Behind the characters, such as John the Baptist, Jesus, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Melchizedek, and Mary, and so on, lie powerful archetypes of a mythological sort, but also physical personages who did live in the world long ago. My work addresses who these people were, and what they were up to. When we read about Moses meeting god at a burning bush, or a tree in a garden, or of a saint beheaded, we had better realize that the trope is not to be taken literally. The masses take it all literally because this is how they and their fathers have been trained. But the senior chiefs at the Vatican, and within the chambers of the headquarters of the Knights of Malta, like those in senior positions of Freemasonry, know differently. They are not adverse to showing off their esoteric knowledge. They frequently do so via the media, and via their lieutenants in the entertainment business. They don't do a a lot of communicating with words, but they speak loud and clear in other ways. My work is dedicated to having the people of the world decode what is being told to them in subtextual ways every single day. Like it is during war time, we must break the enemy's codes.

And we can also say that archetypes can be "inanimate" also. What about the significance of the mount, the stable, the grotto, the shepherd, the burning bush, and golden calf, and so on? There are many levels to the scriptures. Christians have been taught to nail themselves to one interpretation. This is not a good idea. Today, reason and objective study tells us that many of the literal interpretations just simply don't have veracity. A deeper study of words and terms, such as "vicar," and "vatican," and so on, reveals that something very sinister was going on during the formative years of Christianity. Something sinister goes on today. The deception, the plagiarism and cannibalism goes on. The power-brokers at highest levels have so much to lose should the facts come out about the origins of religion, about the great Solar and Stellar Cults, and about the sun kings of bygone ages.

The Druidic Colleges that you mention as being destroyed, can we still access that information?

[mtsar] Only in fragments. As I show in my work, the lore and traditions of the authentic Druidism is the root of Judaism and Christianity. It is also the archive that was plagiarized by the secret societies, such as the Templars and Freemasons, who are now interested in refreshing their image by way of the modern media, in order to look as if they are the keepers of wisdom and the benefactors of mankind. There is a danger that the masses will fall for this nonsense. Luckily there are authors such as Madame Blavatsky, Gerald Massey, and R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz, whose work contains vital information about life and the mysteries of existence. I also believe that the gnosis of the ancients is available to us through the Hermetic Arts, such as the Tarot. It exists in the true working of Astrology and Kabala, and also through Numerology. These arts constitute what I refer to as the "Western Magical Tradition." These arts assist us to cleanse morally and spiritually. They enable psychic hygiene. The ancients were also deeply connected to nature and to animals. In working with the land and in being close to the flora and fauna we are following the way of the ancients. Ultimately, the way of the ancients concerning the Great Work, the Magical Work. This was the understanding of one's own godhead, one's own meaning or Dharma. The shaman of old taught their disciples to know, as the Bible says, that each man has the kingdom of god within his own being. But religion stepped in with its formulaic nonsense and convinced people that there is some one-size-fits-all system to this kind of revelation. This deception has continued to the present day. But nowadays, men and women are beginning to find out that there is no A to Z guide to ending the mystery of oneself. That path, that progress, is as individual as fingerprints. It can't be institutionalized. If it is, there can only be ruin at the end of the road. And when we examine the present state of decay, we know the cause is rooted in this colossal deception. There is only one kind of enlightenment, and that is YOUR kind of enlightenment. Your body is yours. Your dreams are yours. Your tears are yours, and your ecstasy is yours. You are your own student and teacher, and ultimately your own enlightener. Other people are merely signposts. Many lead us to an abyss. Some lead truly. But in the end it is all about our own capacity to initiate ourselves into what is right for us. To give up that responsibility is the cause for the world's condition. It is a most unsane choice and can breed nothing but disaster.

With books such as Irish Origins and the other subjects you have covered, do you see there being a kind of "uprising" of those who seek the truth to be known?

[mtsar] Yes, there is no way, no way at all, that work such as mine could exist at all if there was not some spirit of truth moving in the world. Joseph Campbell and Carl Jung always emphasized that the "Muse" and the "Mythos" is always moving. We may not see it, but it moves nonetheless. It is the great river that never ceases, even if men become deaf to its sound. So it is today. In my work i refer to that spirit as the "Spirit of Rebellion." I link that with the Christian Holy Spirit. This spirit is mentioned in different ways in most of the world's civilizations. In the Hindu or Aryan tradition, Shiva was the deity who represented this great spirit. In astrological terms, it is represented by Uranus and Pluto. This very week the planet Pluto entered into the sign of Capricorn. This signals a major milestone. It is one of the most important markers on the countdown to 2012. Many things will now start happening. Many more masks are set to fall and many more revelations, on all levels, are set to occur. Some people will handle it while others will not be able to do so. You see, sometime in the future, man will inhabit a perfect world. It is too early for this now. It existed sometime in the past and it is certainly capable of being a reality again. But we are very far from that place. Modern day technomancers think that technology will build a perfect utopia. They are obsessed about this for reasons i address in my work on Atlantis. But technology in the wrong hands can not lead to utopia. Immoral and toxic human beings can only create toxic realities. And throwing billions of dollars at something does not change this fact. Man perfected creates a perfect habitat. But modern man is primarily a destroyer. He is also tremendously self-sadistic. A great deal of his destructive tendencies are focused towards himself, in ways that only good psychologists understand. So my work focuses largely on the psychological climate. I don't ask why tyrants exist. I ask why we allow them to exist. I don't ask why evil men like to cause pain and ruin, or why they want a world of slaves. I ask why slaves submit. I ask what causes submission. I ask what it is within human beings that allows a world of injustice and evil to rise. The question of evil is one of the most important we can ever ask. And finding out why men have become what they are, is also most important. There are so many idiotic escapes from this great inquiry. But now there is a chance that people will again ask these kinds of questions, and get ready for the answers. But first it will require zero tolerance for all those escapes, and for the gimmicks and false teachings. It will take men to really comprehend their natural perfection. We are in a world of men who wish us to think of the human as something broken and imperfect. Buy into that and you're supporting the tyranny that exists. Don't buy into it and you're on your way to something that can't be articulated, something scintillating and eternal. It's not a new world order, but a mutable ever-growing and expanding holarchy. It's not a surveillance state, or a cyber purgartory. It's a organic, self-perpetuating reality in which men and women freely and rationally examine the mystery of themselves. No gurus, priests, misleaders or experts. No authority but oneself.

Who in your opinion were the Atlanteans, and where did they originate? What was the cause of their destruction, and why did it happen so fast?

[mtsar] That is not something that really interests me. Anyone's guess is as good as mine. I've thought about it, but choose not to deal with it in my work. I find it to be abstractia. It takes attention from where i want it to be. We need to focus on the visitation and the world that rose after it. The Atlanteans were the Biblical Nephilim. They are the Annunaki or Annanage, the "Heavenly Serpents." They have been known by a hundred names. Their descendants created the "Brotherhood of the Snake", the "Dragon Court." Theirs is the oldest "secret society" in the history of this world. And their descendants are still around today. The world we know is ruled, in my opinion, by the biological or the ideological descendants of these fallen ones. The word "Nephilim" means "those who fell." However, its secondary connotation is "those who cause a fall." So we are dealing with corruptors. And we need to find out the nature of the evil and how to deal with it. This is the subject matter of my first book Atlantis, Alien Visitation, and Genetic Manipulation. In that book's introduction i predict that in the ten years following the beginning of the new millennium, humankind will come to know the truth about its origins and destiny. I believe we are more than half way there already, with many of the latest revelations concerning history, genetics and so on.

Can you divulge some of the subject matter that you have covered in "Architects of Control", and provide the link where it can be accessed for those who are interested in getting a copy?

[mtsar] Program One is available from http://www.architectsofcontrol.com. It concerns the questions I posed above. The series will delve deeply into psychology and into the question of why man has become the strange creature he is. It will delve into the question of submission and the post human world. This nightmarish world is bound to manifest if we stay on the destructive road and remain vulnerable to the merchants of doom who believe that the perfect slave must occupy a technological dystopia of their invention. The series deals with the idea of what will exist beyond the year 2012. The mystics say that it will be the end of the world. But i see that in another light. I have always maintained that it will be the beginning of the end of the "human," of what is human about "human beings." Actually, the truly human in us has already been under severe attack for some time. But we are now approaching a time where there will be no going back. The man who cannot deal with his own psychic content, his own emotions, is so one-dimensional that he will be a willing slave - a "smiling depressive" - inhabiting a nightmare world in which all emotion is tranquilized. This is what the Architects of Control series deals with.

Do you think the problem of Evil will ever be rectified?

[mtsar] There is a reason for everything. I don't think of evil as others do. Death and decay, ending and loss, do not have the same meaning for me as they do for most other people in the world. I have a different relationship with death and darkness than most people I know or hear of. I am very aware of what man becomes when he inhabits a one-seaoned world. He looks for his surf board and tuns off his mind. Only when he is threatened does he awaken and act. So in one way bad things are actually good. Again, its a question of perspective. But we know that what can be thought of one minute as a "good" deed can actually turn out to be the cause of terrible events. We also know that a seemingly "bad" act can actually lead to good things. So man is not in control of these absolutes. Good and evil will always be with us. All we can do is change our attitudes toward these realities. This cannot be overstressed. Good and evil are like white and black. The colors will always be there.

What can we do as seekers of the truth to instigate change and bring our world back into balance.

[mtsar] That was answered for us already by the Orphics who wrote "Know Thyself." It was answered in the Bible when we read that man contains within himself the temple of god. Selfhood, or self-knowledge, alone ends the struggle. The man who does not know who he is can never hope to know anyone else. He cannot hope to build or live in a perfect world. If he thinks he can do so, he is deluded. And that is what we find in the world today. Terribly deluded people in total escapism from their own center, living on the surface of themselves. Everything that such a person touches turns to ruin. So, the main idea concerns a return to selfhood. This begins when we discover all the factors that prevent us from arriving at that state. This is deconstructive work. We must remove the impediments that stand between ourselves and the place we need to be. As Conan Doyle's character Sherlock Holmes said: "The truth is arrived at only after the painstaking process of eliminating the untrue." No greater words have ever been written. In other words, before one can have Shakti one must pass through Shiva. Before one can become a shining Excalibur, one must have gone through the hottest furnace. Before one can become an mighty oak, one must endure many gales and storms. Before one can become enlightened, one must know the dark place. Like Dante, one must have passed through the underworld. This is the law. And it is the same for individuals or nations.

Can the real truth ever be known amid the sea of misinformation, and is there for our species? The 2012 Mayan prophesies is on every spiritual newsletter, site, or forum, what do you think the reality of the situation will be?

[mtsar] Again, the truth can certainly be known but only after a deconstructive process of eliminating the untrue. We don't teach our children this ability. We don't sharpen their critical ability or judgement. In fact, we are apt to condemn those who criticize and form independent judgements about life. We tend to stifle a child's natural intelligence. We all know what to think, but few of us know how to think. So something needs to change in our world, especially in regards education. This is why i strongly recommend the book "The Underground History of American Education" by John Taylor Gatto. Our children are our teachers. Nature is the ultimate teacher. The animals, the stars, the way of the ancients. It's all there, and it all matters. But it goes unseen for the man or women who is dead inside waiting for the world to turn them on. Before one can know true enlightenment, one must be able to reincarnate themselves every morning. One must be able to die and be born again each and every day. One must have a mind that is fresh and new. One must not be waiting for new and fresh experiences to invigorate his dead mind. This is what man is now doing. And that is exactly what plays into the hands of the world controllers who can't wait to produce more entertainment and more gadgets to keep the vacant person occupied. And that kind of emptiness breeds terrible dependency upon the leviathan of control. And the more insecure we become, the more we lean. As the tryant voice said in the movie "V for Vendetta" big brother wants everyone to remember why he exists. And this means a continual infusion of fear and trauma. That injection causes men to lean and become more and more dependant. So the authentic man, the outsider, is becoming rarer. The regimented conformist increases in number. But it is true that there are many who now are given the chance to see what is what. They have the choice to take the reins and journey into the unknown. As things become worse, more and more people will decide to make radical changes. So, in the end, the traumatizing shadows now being cast, might be thanked. If they urge us to purify and rediscover our selfhood, they can not be seen as anything other than the agents of truth after all.

*The most powerful tool in the hand of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed - Stephen Biko (murdered South African activist)

We would like to say a big thanks to Michael Tsarion for taking time out to do this interview, and if anyone has any further comments, or questions to ask in the future please leave your comments below.